Us and them – 2

The last ‘Us and them‘ post here had an intersection in Florida put next to one from Mumbai. That is an easy and understandable comparison, isn’t it. Now take this.

If you only hound news and blogs on Bangalore, you may not know about the Hyderabad Ring Road.

(Hyderabad) ORR to have eight lane divided carriageway with design speed of 120 Kmph and one emergency lane for break down vehicles.

Access controlled freeway. Drool, slurp!. Phase I construction in full swing. Drool drool slurp slurp !!

That is them. And us?

  • An Outer Ring Road with two side lanes perpetually dedicated to parking space for businesses like Innovative multiplex, killer speed-breakers, and three dozen signals with two minute long red-lights.
  • A regular sounding peripheral road stuck in planning stage for nearly two years now.
  • A peripheral expressway (the closest thing to Hyderabad ORR) with a NICE long wait.

PS: You may want to take the high stakes Hyderabad vs Bangalore game further by looking at their upcoming airport (HIAL) and ours (BIAL). Scores seem just about even there.


43 Responses

  1. Having gone over a speed breaker and had a nice little fall from the bike [sarcasm]thanks to the fact that it was well marked and in an area adequately well lit[/sarcasm] on the Bangalore ORR, I guess anything would be better than the current state of Bangalore ORR. And based on the specs, Hyderabad seems to have a winner at hand. Ah, well…

  2. Sajith, you outsider, get lost. Be grateful that Bangalore has welcomed you. If you are soo unhappy with the infrastrucutre here, go home to the backward state from which you have come

  3. As someone who grew up in the state and spent significant portion of my life in Bengalooru, I think that things were fine until late ’80s. Laying more ring roads is not a solution at all since the city lacks wide and straight roads in the north-south and east-west directions. More ring roads means more traffic. Los Angeles is a clear proof of that. That city has more freeways than most other metro areas. The congestion and pollution are high as a result, and not to mention low quality of life. The freeways and large intersections/flyovers literally divide the communities and create what I call urban dead zones. Just look at either side of the flyovers or ring roads in Bengalooru. Would you want to build a house or run a business right next to it?

    Even worse that the plight of the motorist, the pedestrian in Bengalooru has been dehumanized. The city should do more to address pedestrian problems first.

    Since we lack wide/straight roads in the city core (to dig underneath or along them) and the fact that there is no “central business district”, the Metro rail will be a flop show just like in other cities such as Delhi. It will become a burden on taxpayers as each ticket will have to be subsidized by the Karnataka Govt. For Metro to succeed, it has to be accessible to most people (within a few kms of house and office) and the business/industrial districts to be located along the Metro corridors. Even a north-south and east-west Metro corridor to be built in Bengalooru still leaves most of the population without quick access to the Metro. Don’t expect the traffic congestion to go down because of Metro. The only beneficiaries of Metro will be contractors who will build it.

    The real solution to improving the quality of life lies in shifting economic and industrial growth towards Tier II and Tier III cities. How long can we keep growing our large cities? Everything has a limit. That limit has been exceeded in case of Bengalooru a long time ago. While the rest of the state has been in a state of neglect, our dear leaders and bureaucrats keep bringing industrial projects to the city whether it makes sense or not.

    Thank you for reading…

    PS: Hey Gururaj, grow up!! Learn to handle criticism or sarcasm. Don’t blame the “outsiders”, blame our city and state planners who lack vision.

  4. Gururaj,

    Just remember we live in INDIA… as a born,broughtup, living in bangalore i understand your feelings but take it with a whiff of chillies just like the nortern pani puri or the phav bhaji all the other ills and wells.

    Not in the near distant future, if you land up a nice job in noida and pune, would you like to be treated as an outsider for no mistake of yours?

    Answers lie in bad planning of our states .

  5. Bangalore belongs only to Kannadigas. Get that right first.
    Get lost if you are unhappy here. Get lost fast.

    Sajith – Mohan – better do before locals take care of you.

  6. Gururaj,
    For your information my mother tongue is kannada. So who is a local goonda you are refering to – yourself?

    Gururaj – go get that idiotic raitha sangha to spill some tomatores, hold up some trains and claim you are a kannadiga – why dont you do something like NRN or if not for your outsider premiji what happens to all your kannadigas in wipro

  7. Mohan > silly boy, get yourself examined. People like you are the real cause of all the bangalore’s problems. i am proud kannadiga.. you are a joker.

  8. Gurruaj boy, where where you sleeping all these days when “outsiders” came to bangalore? You can easily fit to be the resident at pshycatric ward. Who appointed you to chastise everybody in the name of language? If others are jokers you are the laughing stock. Now shut your trap and take a walk to that ward back

  9. R Alien – totally agree with you on the Metro, CBDs, flyovers, underpasses. I would also love to see the senseless road widening with no consideration for the pedestrians. Bangalore will be a costlier city to live with the Metro. The route of Metro that is now being pursued makes no sense as this has been planned during the 1980s. As a Kannadiga I feel miserable to see the plight of our own cities though we are still ahead of many others. Things could be a lot better with just onn-chhoor (say 1%) extra political will. Is this what we plan and how we execute? I hope other states overtake Karnataka very soon and our politicians realise this even faster to arrest the declining quality of life.

  10. correction…’I would also love to see the senseless road widening with no consideration for the pedestrians to end…’

  11. Okay, I got to ignore the linguistic and regional fight going on above.

    But Resident Alien, you wrote the almost perfect line there – “The real solution to improving the quality of life lies in shifting economic and industrial growth towards Tier II and Tier III cities”. Replace shifting with spreading, and that’s perfect.

    But we (I mean our planners) sort of fall in the vicious trap. Make Bangalore Mumbai Kolkata Hyderabad etc etc better, and invite more growth that you are incapable of managing. Investing equal amount of money and energy in Mysore/Mangalore/Hubli/Hassan etc could make it better for all of us. Not to say that we don’t need better infrastructure in Bangalore right now. But the pace needs to be faster in smaller neighboring cities, that is all.

    That is why I like the Satellite town plans. Make the city spread out a bit. But then again, if the townships are done the SEZ way, we are setting ourselves up for land grabbers vs communists, farmers vs industrialists fights and what not.

    Sounds like we are in a messy state. But hey, I see bright days ahead, once we get past it. And we will. As Arun says, it just needs onn-choor amount of extra political will, not a lot!

    BTW, Sajith, with demand for a flyover at every major junction, Bangalore ORR could eventually become an expressway like thing.

  12. Dear Mr. Gururaj, I am a proud Kannadiga too. But my pride stems from the history, accomplishment, tolerance and live and let live policies we generally follow. But my pride in my language/culture/xyz also means respect for other languages/cultures/xyz as well.

    Yes, there are economic and social problems that can arise from unchecked migration. Also, there are many “outsiders” who are hard-headed and prefer to live like “local foreigners”. But a vast majority of them are peaceful and want nothing but a decent life for themselves. They are no different than the locals in their hopes and aspirations. These “outsiders” have contributed significantly to the city.

    We cannot and should not blame all the problems of the city on the “outsiders”. A little bit of introspection and fact finding tells us that successive governments have failed to develop the state in a balanced manner. Excessive attention paid by our own governments towards Bengalooru (often at the expense of other districts and cities in the state) has resulted in mindless growth of the city putting pressure on the infrastructure and lowering quality of life.

    If we keep pointing fingers at each other, and every group wants to send us back to our native/original place, then pretty soon we will all end up on the plains of Africa where human race originated…..

  13. Silkboard – Thanks for reading my mind :-) That’s exactly what I meant about spreading the growth.

    I still think there is some hope for the tier II and tier III cities if they are capable of learning from the mistakes of tier I cities.

  14. What I really object to SB is the epithet of us and them . I thot you would have realised that we are all in this together and like Ben Franklin said ‘ Gentlemen we must hang together or most assuredly we will all hang seperately’. All the big cities of India and indeed all over the world are bursting at the seams. Spreading out may help in the short term but wouldnt you agree that we need to have better and more creative ideas in the long run.
    Orwell (pity he isnt read as much as he should be) in his ‘The road to Wigan Pier’ we humans are caretakers of a vulnerable raft (Our Earth)adrift in the high oceans of space.

    Whilst advocating a global conciousness we must take into account the sentiments that you seem to have brushed of as linguistic and regional fights. I sense a true feeling of resentment and the nightmare would be if this voices of resentment are stifled and the true parochial forces take over that space. Whilst immigration is a human tendency safegaurding the rights of the indigenous peoples and their culture is no less important and I beleive Globalization isnt essentially a good thing. Ask the indigenous dwellers of America and the aboriginals of Australia.

    You must have read Benjamin Solomon’s scholarly analysis of this situation The link in any case is

    Its a tuf job but aye there is the rub of things.

  15. Guys,
    Nice little discussion.
    RA, some of the points you make regarding insufficiency of the metro, CBD etc., need elaboration. Perhaps, your own blog, or maybe SB could host your blog, better yet we could take it to a threaded forum such as

    Some observations from my side.
    Development needs sakkath political will + sakkath executive power which is in the hands of babus. Onnchoor political will exists. See HDK rhetoric isn’t much different from SMK rhetoric. Both have taken to onn choor political will by skimming surfaces by announcing one project after the other. So, in my judgment, SMK would not have fared any better than HDK in the CURRENT B’lore climate.

    The road problems are just symptomatic of deeper problems. The system for planning, execution and maintenance of B’lore is in shambles. A bigger problem is lack of vision for Karnataka and B’lore’s role in it. (Despite all the talk of tier-n cities, in KN, unless serious issues are addressed that is real fancy talk.)

    Basically, HDK has shown no will to understand these issues nor has he shown any will make fundamental changes in how B’lore and Karnataka are governed.

    To be fair to him, he is operating within his own compulsions. He has only ½ the time to make a name for himself. And he cannot be expected to address lack of transparency in land/property transactions, without which TDR etc for road development are meaningless, for example.

    And that is the real tragedy. Development is tied to the personality of neta and babu in power. To be sure neta + babu should act appropriately(read not maliciously) for development DESPITE their compulsions. But the system itself is not powerful enough to force ANY given neta + babu to act appropriately.

    HYD will have better roads because they have better property management system. KN will have better HDI in villages because we have better land distribution system and better panchayatis.

    So the question is can HDK do the onn choor for KN’s governance what onn choor PVN did for India’s economy? Yenu, saadhyana?

    MMS:PVN :: ???:HDK ?

  16. Shashi, I accept your criticism. The epithet of us and them isn’t a politically correct one, even though I used that phrase innocently and in good health to talk about planners of our city vs planners of another city in our own country. Talking up a comparison with that subject brought out the “proud” and “noisy” comments here for the first time – even though I didn’t want it that way.

    Proud to be an Indian, proud to be a whatever may be a good thing or bad. But let me tell everyone this. Serious improvements begin only when you feel ashamed of the very things you want to improve. At this point of time, I am ashamed to be an Indian – with rotten infrastructure, imbalanced growth, increasingly insensitive and self-indulgent middle class, hypocrite leaders in politics as well as business – I am ashamed of these things. That doesn’t mean I am not a patriotic guy and dont love certain other things about my nation. Just means I am not blind, and that I want certain things to get better.

    Resident Alien Bangalore had such a good lead. BMIC was planned way back in 1989 – that is thought leadership. Nicely planned residential layouts were done here before some other cities learnt the meaning of word planning. If Bangalore had continued that way, there would probably have been no Pune or Hyderabad story today.

    Okay, I am losing my way here.

    OI Deleting comments takes lot more time that reading them. Unless, it gets to swear words.

  17. SB,
    Looks like you need to do a article on SEZ in devanahalli. 2 of them are supposed to be coming up according to katta subramanya naidu. This is cheating locals and giving tax holidays to aeroplane parts manufacturing hardware shops.

    This is going to add more fury to local problems.

  18. Just as the development activities in Bangalore have been hijacked by politics, this post has been hijacked by linguistic sentiments. What a waste…

  19. SB this is getting a bit serious- I mean the discussion you started so earnestly has been hijacked – dont you think you need to moderate- i am sorry I dont know but is immoderate free speech even if it were impertinent the corner stone of Blogging.

    In that case i’d might as well as add my 2 cent bit. DVG in one of his verses says:
    Sarakara harigolu, teresuligalathitha
    sure kudidavaru huttu hakuvaru
    birugaali beesuvudu janaveddu kuniyuvudu
    uruladhihudacchariyo- mankutimma

    A crude translation by yours truly would read :

    The State is the oar, the waves swell
    The oarsmen drunken lurch and lash
    The storm roars, the mobs yell,
    A wonder it does not crash- manku timma

    Both society and this article/blog is going the same way. Good luck SB my friend.

  20. OMG, what has happened here??? Please guys, relax, and stop playing games here. I certainly didn’t wish to start that type of discussion (if one can call it one) via this post.

    Next time I return, if off topic stuff continues, I will just close this one for comments.

  21. SB,
    where did my post go?

  22. Tarle, spam filter caught it. Guess they caught the wrong comments :) anyway, now that I had some time, I deleted all off topic stuff I could see here. (removed some 30 odd comments)

    Back to the topic Tarle, you said “HYD will have better roads because they have better property management system”. More pointers or links on this please?

    It is unfortunate that we have this 3 party situation here. Two party like situation that HYD and CHENNAI enjoy – gives them better political climate for long term (= 5 years) decisions.

  23. GOSH!! I now know that bloggers & blog are part of media! We are getting Cyber rules & may be there will be small mention about blogger rules about impersionate commenting on any person/language will attract some XYZ fine!

    Today morning, I thought Hosur road(Bengalooru) has become better after they widened the roads, I even was thinking why not have that to-be-flyover continued till the ECity office campuses too ? as we are getting chocked there!

    Lot of guys spoke what I had in my mind, so me taking off from the commenting world!
    SB..Neverthless to mention Nice post!

  24. Talking of road widening, let me tell you it doesn’t help as much if you don’t 1)enforce lane discipline or 2)parking rules. 3)provide good pavements. Marathahalli is an example.

    Shopping area – Road widening work there simply provided better surface for people to park bikes and cars. Wide roads mean more maneuvering space for yellow plates and adventurous buses. Encroached footpath means pedestrians walking on the newly expanded road. Net effect of wide road, not difference.

    Jump to another end of Marathahalli – near the railway bridge. Construction work has temporarily reduced the width of road just as you approach the bridge. Narrow lanes mean drivers are forced to follow one another, they cant sneak in from extreme left. Result, better managed traffic, less frustration for all, though all unintentional!

  25. Dude!
    Were all my comments were off-topic? I dont think so.

    Or did you remove all comments that you did not agree with?

  26. Dotslash,
    Only regional language has been removed… OK that confirms the logic behind right?

  27. SB – you are right about this road widening happening all over. Pavements are as important as good roads are. There’s a rage of pavement narrowing (on the pretext of road-widening) happening in some parts of Bangalore, for instance in the lovely-to-walk Basavanagudi. BMP and traffic police understand better traffic management as handling only vehicles on the roads. If any of you have observed, 15 ft wide pavements have been reduced to 6 ft, and the 6ft also accommodates some 2-3 ft of encroachment by the shopkeepers, leaving the pedestrians to walk on the road. The trees that were dotting the pavements are now made to appear as they are in the carriage way (this gives the BMP a reason to cut them in the future, so sad).

    The other culprit is the one-way system. The load shared by two narrow roads is pushed to one narrow road. And this best seen on Residency and Richmond Roads. This has pushed public transport further away from the public (and encouraging them to own private transport). At least BMTC/KSRTC should have been spared from this rule.

    Google earth gives an idea about the existing rail link that covers places like Kengeri, Mysore Road, Malleswaram, Yeshwantpur, Cantonment, East, Hebbal, Yelahanka, K R Puram, Byapanahalli, Whitefield and Hosur Road. If I remember correctly, in 2003, a study was conducted to look at the feasibility of running local trains on these routes, with BMTC playing as the feeder. Also there were talks of implementing this in about 6 months. Why not pursue this? My feeling is much of the city’s traffic woes would be put to rest. But that onn-choor WILL…

    Has the service lane on Hosur road merged now? I haven’t been there of late. Service lanes are important on highways to handle slow moving vehicles. The proposed elevated highway seems a wasteful endeavor. The speeding cars would now clog the place where the elevated highway descends and merges with the existing road. Instead a mass transit (may not be elevated as the median was wide enough) from EC would have been a long-term solution.

  28. About moderation etc, guys, please don’t put words in my mouth. Dotslash dear, I have a day job to keep. Don’t have time to selectively pick and chose comments for moderation – so I just deleted stuff from a point where I thought it lost control. Please, if you don’t like these blogs or discussions, take your business elsewhere.

    Arun That local train thing is a good idea. Any idea why they stopped pursuing it? On this metblogs post a while back, Tarlesubba had done this image marking rail lines. See the maroon line there – seems it should be possible to connect the two IT hubs (Whitefiled to Elec City) via local railway link.

  29. “” please don’t put words in my mouth.””
    let people be the judge of it.

    Stop hiding behind the garb of ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude.

  30. No amount of material infrastructure will help till there is an improvement in cognitive and mental infrastructure. Unfortunately I dont see that happening in our rather lop-sided society and honestly we have always been rather appreciative on inequity. Further I am afraid with our dumbed down education the explosion of material wealth only serves to increase the lumpen elements whetehr it be the sort that changes lanes just before the traffic signals ( and thinks its his right because he ahs the bigger vehicle ) or the sort that forcibly closes shops beacuse the board was not in the vernacular.

    Just cant seem to think of nice things this mornin’

  31. SB,
    i cannot do a comparison of the actual rules and laws, but based on several anecdotal references, it appears property transaction is much more transparent in AP than in KN.

    So in the interior HYD, road widening programs employ TDRs and are typically, issueless. Compare that with the song and dance in B’lore wrt TDRs for road widening.

    Regarding the local trains..
    The Jan 10 2007 is reporting the byappanahalli airport rail link is going to be most likely dropped!!! reason being concern regarding returns for the developers of the expressway.

    arun IT hireeru kori kattasthirodallve ee elevated expressway?

  32. Everything said and done, we need political will to get projects underway and for them to proceed smoothly. The will needs to come from the top. Unfortunately HDK seems to be all talk and very little action. If political will to develop the city and state exists then everything will fall into place. But here our ‘leaders’ are more interested in populist talk and nothing much. Remember, the Golden Quadrilateral work went on in full swing without too many hiccups when Vajpayee was the PM, it was his pet project. Even we need a CM who takes a personal interest in development of the city.

  33. SB – sometime after SM Krishna took over, a survey was done for Metro and it was reported in newspapers that Blr is not the right choice for underground Metro due to hard rocky formations underneath. So possibility of local rail and BRT were studied. And then the proposal went into cold storage like the ELRTS (remember Mallya, some Rs.100 crores cess collection by BMP, etc). If Rlys get involved, the money flow will be from a different channel which deprives the local politicians to get involved ‘actively’. Gothaaithaa?

    TS – IT heeriyaru bari avara-bagge-ne chinthe maadodhu. They can’t be questioned when they park their 200 odd cars and the service cabs ferrying their employees, on the pavements/service lanes of Hosur Road. But BMTC/auto stopping off track for a few seconds is irritating. En maadoedhu….I really wonder why these issues are not considered part of Corporate Governance.

    End of the day…nothing seems to have done that has made any change to our lives. It’s still only the talks of doing big things and letting things go bad. Simple and long term solutions are overlooked.

  34. Thanks Arun/Tarle.

    Shashi – we all know what you are pointing to. But the tone sounds rather downbeat there. Things do and will change with time, and with growth, prosperity and exposure.

    Roshan – Your last line there – “we need a CM who takes a personal interest in development of the city.” – that expectation and arrangement is one main reason our towns and cities are in rotten shape today.

    A CM is for the state. I don’t like it when he choses to inaugurate each and every flyover in the city, when he choses to announce road widening projects in the city etc etc. Development of a local area has to be planned and executed by the local governments. A CM only has to facilitate, and do stuff that impact more than just one city.

    Think of it, it makes everyone’s job easier. CM spending too much time on the city will make the rural-champions shout at him. A CM spending his time sleeping with the farmers will lead to city folks taunting him. And it is easy to say he should give time to both – but he only has 12-16 working hours a day!

    The solution is simple, delegate. He’d get results on all quarters that way, and more votes than he gets now. But unfortunately, either this structure is tough to implement, or CMs and ministers don’t understand that decentralized governance is eventually for their good.

  35. SB, when I said personal interest in development of the city, I did not mean going to inaugurate flyovers or just announce projects. All that is done just to get media attention and be seen as someone working for the people. I meant a CM who actually wants to develop the state and the city. Delegating is a good idea, but the CM should not forget it after delegating. s/he should keep track of the projects regularly, put pressure on officials to get things done on time. This is personal interest, not inaugurating roads and buildings. But unfortunately for us we don’t have a CM like that. Again, I believe it comes down to political will. If we have that all projects will get done on time.

  36. re: this article, i need to butt in – for whatever it is worth – and say that irfca is a group effort. apurva is a senior member no doubt, but he does not run it by himself, as your article appears to indicate.

    – s.b.

  37. Roshan going by the announcements and enthusiasm shown, HDK seems like he is interested in making our city better. But he is unable to do so (progress seems slow after announcements) because of the direct methods employed. That is my take on the situation.

    s.b., I didn’t know that. I thought that section of IRFCA is maintained by Apurva.

  38. Hi,

    I am also a proud Kannadiga and proud Bangalorean. I know people say ‘n’ number of things of Bangalore – and companies say we want to go out of Bangalore – but if we say “Go Ahead Please” – nowhere they can go. Take comparison with Chennai. Chennai is either ruled by “AMMA” or “THATHA” with lot of politically motivated activities each doing against other – Companies don’t want that which is total hurdle for growth – If “AMMA” gives permission to a company – “THATHA” will oppose. Weather of climate and neatness of the city – Oh mann I wanted to run back to Bangalore when I had been to US consulate. That’s why we can see Tamilians coming out from Tamilnadu to Bangalore and pulling their own people to Bangalore IT jobs and blaming Bangalore

    Compare with Trivandrum – Many MNC’s might not have heard the name of. Anthony – CM of Kerala doesn’t welcome change. That’s why you see all Mallus coming out of Kerala and usually working in support jobs. You call for an interview for Windows Admin (MCSE) – You get only Kerala candidates. Think of nurses – only keralites. Think of bakery – mostly keralites. Although literacy is high in Kerala, it is not in technical education. Think of Infrastructure – Don’t even imagine. Kerala is good for tourism only not for IT.

    Earlier people used to go to Mumbai for better jobs from Bangalore – Now the opposite way. Lot of mumbaikers working in Bangalore. Mumbai’s local train is not sufficient for the existing people and how can it cater for new IT people. Mumbai ka Bastis – can’t imagine. Compare Mumbai airport surroundings with Bangalore Airport – Mumbai airport surrounded full of Bastis.People speak of Navi Mumbai – let us wait and see.

    Pune – May be a competitor to Bangalore – But with very poor Infrastructure. Roads are so bad , traffic is so pathetic and very poor Public Transport. Only you get frequent trains to go to Mumbai.

    Hyderabad – Only threat. Most of the Hyderabadis prefer to go to US and settle. They are more money minded. They just want their careers to be triggered in Hyderabad in some company. With 2 years of experience, they will be looking for some consultancy to enter US. Also number of engineering colleges to give inputs to companies are less compared to Karnataka. Government may be favouring IT companies to enter and facilitating infrastructure, but the very attitude of Andhra IT workers and the way in which they procure their certifications etc.. is very susceptible to employers. If the candidate is from Andhra, we always doubt for duplicate certificates.

    Infrastructure wise – May be international airport is coming up. But, no plans to improve tier 2 cities around Hyderabad like we are planning for Mysore as 2nd hub complementing for Bangalore.

    NOIDA and Gurgaon are good on the infrastructure portion since both of them were planned for industries long back. But, you see only call centres and few IT companies. Don’t know what is the problem. Same is with Chandigarh even with very good infrastructure – Probably companies not getting talented people.

    That’s why you see so many MNCs in Bangalore. Although MNCs like Microsoft,IBM and Oracle are there in Hyderabad too, you don’t see like it is in Bangalore. In Bangalore you get all these companies plus you have many more such as Honeywell,EMC,SAP,Sony,Sanyo – You name the MNC in US – we have a branch in Bangalore.

  39. Vasanth, you start a very good debate here. I think Chennai, Pune, Hyd are all good competition for Bangalore. Our advantage today, in IT sector, is this critical mass of talent/skill settled in Bangalore.

    Actually, let me keep this comment short and do this. Let us start a new thread/post for this challenger cities discussion. I am sure a few more will join in. Will write that post soon when I get some time.

  40. Let us compare the infrastructure of Bangalore with others. Lots are planned – BMRC, monorail, Volvo city buses(first in the country), BRTS, B-TRAC, International Airport, High speed link to international airport, lots of flyovers. In this budget, it has been even planned to construct an underground tunnel between Minsk Square and BDA office near Windsor Manor. If proper engineers plan this, it will be very useful and helpful. We also have NICE coming up with satellite townships and corporate business centres all along the road being planned between Bangalore and Mysore. But, Government is not releasing land.We also have double track railway line being constructed between Bangalore and Mysore and proper planning of trains will reduce the travel to city by two hours shifting at least natives of Mysore to Mysore. Tumkur is also being planned as a parallel city and a double track is being planned between Tumkur and Bangalore. Problem with Bangalore is that we do not have a CBD concept. If we would have had a CBD concept somewhere near Majestic and if we had non-stop high speed trains running between Mysore and Bangalore, Tumkur and Bangalore and Kolar and Bangalore, we could have had these cities as satellite cities.

  41. Plans have never been the problem Vasanth. Execution has been the concern. The positive development I see now is that the plans have gotten bigger and more ambitious. But since I see us struggling to execute smaller size projects, I doubt how long these projects will take to complete. Even the PPP projects have not been smooth – BIAL may be running to completion now, but shouldn’t it have been ready by now.

    I am keeping the faith though. One, because no other city is doing a lot better, or learning from Bangalore’s and other Metro’s past mistakes. And execution is a problem almost everywhere.

    I have taken too long for the “us and them #4” post, should be about how Bangalore compares to other upcoming cities. I always have a “Bangalore Dreams” like thing I want to share – think of how things would be once these big projects are ready!!

  42. pranav:

    this is a good post, though i am not sure which ‘us vs. them’ series article to put this comment on. hopefully, this location is good enough.

    when you compare the usa and india, agreed that the bribes/kickbacks are referred to as such only in the higher echelons of power in the usa whereas they are much more widespread in india.

    on the other hand, even at our levels, what is called bribe in india is termed ‘tip’ in the usa, and it is (almost) compulsory. the only difference is that bribes go under the table and tips are otc (over the counter) :-).

    note that for general services (such as, say, getting a passport), the fees in the usa are higher than in india. this analogy appears similar like the capitation fees etc. that sundar refers to in his 2005 post that he has linked to (the one he wrote just after he started blogging). compounded by the fact that our population in india is so much more – for a fraction of the space and service jobs – i guess we should be pretty glad as to where we stand (in india).

    – s.b.

  43. Dirty outsiders! Cause bomb blasts in our city.
    We want to kick them out.

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